1
00:00:07,460 --> 00:00:10,970
all right

2
00:00:10,980 --> 00:00:17,050
[Music]

3
00:00:23,870 --> 00:00:21,050
come Blast Off In My Time Machine sir I

4
00:00:26,090 --> 00:00:23,880
feel like an evizing blast off

5
00:00:37,470 --> 00:00:26,100
blast off

6
00:00:43,310 --> 00:00:39,310
[Music]

7
00:00:46,369 --> 00:00:43,320
Blast Off on another epic episode of

8
00:00:49,310 --> 00:00:46,379
hero paranormal podcast the hyper

9
00:00:52,869 --> 00:00:49,320
anomalous esoteric research organization

10
00:00:55,549 --> 00:00:52,879
podcast is up to it once again

11
00:00:58,369 --> 00:00:55,559
broadcasting from the base at lamadre

12
00:00:59,569 --> 00:00:58,379
Mountain just south of area 51. my name

13
00:01:02,330 --> 00:00:59,579
is Ryan

14
00:01:05,210 --> 00:01:02,340
anomalous ambassador of the airwaves

15
00:01:08,270 --> 00:01:05,220
bringing you a great episode today

16
00:01:10,730 --> 00:01:08,280
on today's podcast we have one of my

17
00:01:14,270 --> 00:01:10,740
favorite people and researchers to talk

18
00:01:16,789 --> 00:01:14,280
to it's Trey Hudson it's not just his

19
00:01:19,609 --> 00:01:16,799
concise and professional manner of

20
00:01:22,490 --> 00:01:19,619
conducting research but also his

21
00:01:25,370 --> 00:01:22,500
rational examination of it and matter of

22
00:01:28,550 --> 00:01:25,380
fact explanation of his findings his

23
00:01:30,830 --> 00:01:28,560
research and Explorations also share a

24
00:01:34,310 --> 00:01:30,840
common element with some of my passions

25
00:01:36,710 --> 00:01:34,320
as he is delving deeply with the help of

26
00:01:39,350 --> 00:01:36,720
the Oxford Paranormal Society of which

27
00:01:41,530 --> 00:01:39,360
he is director and assistance from

28
00:01:45,530 --> 00:01:41,540
anomalous studies and observation group

29
00:01:48,590 --> 00:01:45,540
into a paranormal hotspot known only as

30
00:01:51,590 --> 00:01:48,600
the meadow the location is kept secret

31
00:01:54,830 --> 00:01:51,600
for a variety of reasons and has been

32
00:01:56,810 --> 00:01:54,840
dubbed the South's Skinwalker Ranch he

33
00:01:59,149 --> 00:01:56,820
has written a book on the subject which

34
00:02:01,429 --> 00:01:59,159
is fantastic it's also available for

35
00:02:04,490 --> 00:02:01,439
sale for all to read and we will get

36
00:02:07,330 --> 00:02:04,500
into that this remote location known as

37
00:02:10,969 --> 00:02:07,340
the meadow has as reports of UFOs

38
00:02:14,510 --> 00:02:10,979
Cryptid animals missing time portal

39
00:02:17,030 --> 00:02:14,520
activity men or women in black boxes

40
00:02:18,949 --> 00:02:17,040
which can't be explained and crop

41
00:02:21,949 --> 00:02:18,959
circle-like formations

42
00:02:24,530 --> 00:02:21,959
can't wait to talk to Trey about many of

43
00:02:27,170 --> 00:02:24,540
the Things That Go Bump in the night and

44
00:02:29,690 --> 00:02:27,180
gather information on a location whose

45
00:02:32,869 --> 00:02:29,700
story needs to be told nobody better

46
00:02:36,170 --> 00:02:32,879
than Trey to tell it Trey Hudson welcome

47
00:02:38,510 --> 00:02:36,180
to the hero paranormal podcast

48
00:02:40,430 --> 00:02:38,520
well thank you for having me Ryan uh you

49
00:02:42,229 --> 00:02:40,440
know we have been wanting to do this for

50
00:02:44,390 --> 00:02:42,239
a while and we finally made it happen so

51
00:02:46,729 --> 00:02:44,400
I'm very happy to be here today oh this

52
00:02:49,509 --> 00:02:46,739
is exciting it's it's very exciting

53
00:02:51,650 --> 00:02:49,519
because I understand this location is

54
00:02:53,750 --> 00:02:51,660
obviously in the south of the United

55
00:02:55,850 --> 00:02:53,760
States we're not going to try to go into

56
00:02:58,729 --> 00:02:55,860
exactly where it is because it's a

57
00:03:00,949 --> 00:02:58,739
marginal place that is very sensitive

58
00:03:02,869 --> 00:03:00,959
and if everybody and their dog is out

59
00:03:06,350 --> 00:03:02,879
there it's going to affect your research

60
00:03:08,210 --> 00:03:06,360
before we go any further

61
00:03:09,830 --> 00:03:08,220
um let's tell our listeners just a

62
00:03:11,330 --> 00:03:09,840
little bit about what's happened in the

63
00:03:12,890 --> 00:03:11,340
past and where things are kind of going

64
00:03:15,290 --> 00:03:12,900
in the future I know you have an

65
00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:15,300
upcoming trip out to the location and

66
00:03:19,210 --> 00:03:17,040
you've gathered a lot of research and

67
00:03:22,850 --> 00:03:19,220
data so far

68
00:03:25,369 --> 00:03:22,860
oh yeah I mean it's uh you know when the

69
00:03:27,170 --> 00:03:25,379
the moniker the skinwalker you know ran

70
00:03:29,990 --> 00:03:27,180
to the South was tagged to this location

71
00:03:32,930 --> 00:03:30,000
that sounds a little bit like hyperbole

72
00:03:35,930 --> 00:03:32,940
you know that that that's a bold claim

73
00:03:37,670 --> 00:03:35,940
and when we started researching this and

74
00:03:39,290 --> 00:03:37,680
the phenomena that started presenting

75
00:03:40,970 --> 00:03:39,300
itself you know you kind of went over

76
00:03:43,070 --> 00:03:40,980
you know a Litany of some of the things

77
00:03:46,970 --> 00:03:43,080
that we've uh encountered

78
00:03:49,610 --> 00:03:46,980
you know strange uh formations in the

79
00:03:51,229 --> 00:03:49,620
the grass you know in the vegetation in

80
00:03:55,789 --> 00:03:51,239
the meadow uh

81
00:03:58,430 --> 00:03:55,799
yeah dare I say a portal uh entities we

82
00:04:02,630 --> 00:03:58,440
picked up on our Fleer uh Cryptids

83
00:04:05,390 --> 00:04:02,640
visiting our base camp uh

84
00:04:08,930 --> 00:04:05,400
missing time

85
00:04:11,210 --> 00:04:08,940
people and this is sounds bizarre

86
00:04:13,250 --> 00:04:11,220
uh turning into uh like a sphere of

87
00:04:16,430 --> 00:04:13,260
energy you know as we're observing them

88
00:04:19,430 --> 00:04:16,440
on our uh on our thermals it just all of

89
00:04:21,650 --> 00:04:19,440
the the the the rich variety the very

90
00:04:23,629 --> 00:04:21,660
detailed tapestry of high strangeness

91
00:04:26,030 --> 00:04:23,639
that happens to this location

92
00:04:28,010 --> 00:04:26,040
you know I started thinking about it and

93
00:04:30,170 --> 00:04:28,020
oh disembodied voice is another thing I

94
00:04:32,090 --> 00:04:30,180
forgot uh I thought this sounds like

95
00:04:34,550 --> 00:04:32,100
another location that uh everybody's

96
00:04:37,670 --> 00:04:34,560
heard of uh in the end of basin

97
00:04:39,830 --> 00:04:37,680
and uh so the skin walker ran to the

98
00:04:43,070 --> 00:04:39,840
South it's uh it's one of those very

99
00:04:45,950 --> 00:04:43,080
special locations that seems to be a

100
00:04:48,650 --> 00:04:45,960
high Geo concentration of uh weird

101
00:04:52,189 --> 00:04:48,660
happenings and high strangeness

102
00:04:54,290 --> 00:04:52,199
yes and what what I like about it um the

103
00:04:56,090 --> 00:04:54,300
book is absolutely amazing and before we

104
00:04:58,129 --> 00:04:56,100
go any further let's tell listeners

105
00:05:00,290 --> 00:04:58,139
where they can purchase and the name of

106
00:05:02,530 --> 00:05:00,300
the book of course and uh what what

107
00:05:05,270 --> 00:05:02,540
brought you to write it

108
00:05:07,730 --> 00:05:05,280
ah sure the the name of the book is uh

109
00:05:09,830 --> 00:05:07,740
the meadow project exploration into the

110
00:05:13,490 --> 00:05:09,840
South Skinwalker Ranch

111
00:05:16,790 --> 00:05:13,500
and uh it's available on Amazon uh you

112
00:05:19,129 --> 00:05:16,800
know in ebook uh audiobook hardcover

113
00:05:21,050 --> 00:05:19,139
soft cover uh and all you have to do is

114
00:05:23,629 --> 00:05:21,060
type in the the uh the title of the book

115
00:05:26,510 --> 00:05:23,639
or you can just type in my name Trey

116
00:05:28,909 --> 00:05:26,520
husband in the Amazon search bar and

117
00:05:31,670 --> 00:05:28,919
it'll come right up I'm also uh happy to

118
00:05:32,749 --> 00:05:31,680
announce this is a kind of a a new new

119
00:05:35,390 --> 00:05:32,759
uh

120
00:05:37,610 --> 00:05:35,400
new part of the tale is I hope to

121
00:05:39,529 --> 00:05:37,620
launched the book uh in France this

122
00:05:40,850 --> 00:05:39,539
month so it'll be it's been translated

123
00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:40,860
into French

124
00:05:44,990 --> 00:05:43,020
and so you know maybe some of the uh

125
00:05:46,730 --> 00:05:45,000
adherents and big fans of uh you know

126
00:05:48,409 --> 00:05:46,740
the legendary Jacques ballet will you

127
00:05:49,909 --> 00:05:48,419
know actually get to read it in their

128
00:05:51,710 --> 00:05:49,919
native language so I'm kind of excited

129
00:05:53,930 --> 00:05:51,720
about that also

130
00:05:56,210 --> 00:05:53,940
oh that's great news that's great news

131
00:05:59,390 --> 00:05:56,220
it's a story that I believe must be told

132
00:06:02,270 --> 00:05:59,400
internationally so that's wonderful one

133
00:06:05,390 --> 00:06:02,280
of my favorite stories is not only very

134
00:06:07,670 --> 00:06:05,400
real but can and has been validated

135
00:06:10,310 --> 00:06:07,680
through a variety of methods

136
00:06:12,950 --> 00:06:10,320
a woman in black experience that took

137
00:06:15,290 --> 00:06:12,960
place there that quite literally comes

138
00:06:18,529 --> 00:06:15,300
right off the pages of a John Keel story

139
00:06:22,370 --> 00:06:18,539
can we go a little bit into that

140
00:06:25,490 --> 00:06:22,380
oh yes absolutely that is

141
00:06:28,430 --> 00:06:25,500
one of the situations that

142
00:06:31,129 --> 00:06:28,440
really unnerved me I mean it you know

143
00:06:32,689 --> 00:06:31,139
some of the people on our team uh you

144
00:06:34,909 --> 00:06:32,699
know have military Special Operations

145
00:06:37,790 --> 00:06:34,919
backgrounds most of the members of our

146
00:06:39,050 --> 00:06:37,800
team are involved in some kind of a high

147
00:06:41,210 --> 00:06:39,060
stress

148
00:06:43,490 --> 00:06:41,220
uh type profession and be it emergency

149
00:06:45,950 --> 00:06:43,500
medicine law enforcement things like

150
00:06:49,430 --> 00:06:45,960
that so it takes a little bit to Rattle

151
00:06:53,510 --> 00:06:49,440
us in that particular evening uh

152
00:06:55,490 --> 00:06:53,520
unnerved us and uh and I'll I'll go into

153
00:06:57,469 --> 00:06:55,500
exactly what happened and then some

154
00:06:59,809 --> 00:06:57,479
really amazing developments have

155
00:07:01,430 --> 00:06:59,819
happened since then which are not in the

156
00:07:04,189 --> 00:07:01,440
book that actually have developed since

157
00:07:07,129 --> 00:07:04,199
then uh we had the other very strange

158
00:07:08,689 --> 00:07:07,139
encounter with uh you know the cube or

159
00:07:10,189 --> 00:07:08,699
the portal that you uh referenced

160
00:07:12,590 --> 00:07:10,199
earlier

161
00:07:14,390 --> 00:07:12,600
and uh we were deciding whether we

162
00:07:16,189 --> 00:07:14,400
wanted to continue investigating and

163
00:07:19,610 --> 00:07:16,199
researching that evening or if we need

164
00:07:21,230 --> 00:07:19,620
to get back to base camp and do a uh an

165
00:07:24,350 --> 00:07:21,240
after action review while all this

166
00:07:26,089 --> 00:07:24,360
amazing you know information and data

167
00:07:28,430 --> 00:07:26,099
was still fresh on our mind

168
00:07:30,409 --> 00:07:28,440
uh so we were gathered together you know

169
00:07:32,270 --> 00:07:30,419
there in the meadow discussing what we

170
00:07:34,610 --> 00:07:32,280
wanted to do the rest of the evening

171
00:07:37,430 --> 00:07:34,620
I made the decision to go back and do a

172
00:07:39,529 --> 00:07:37,440
video after action review which uh is

173
00:07:40,790 --> 00:07:39,539
about 40 minutes long it's videotaped

174
00:07:43,490 --> 00:07:40,800
and really interesting and the

175
00:07:44,450 --> 00:07:43,500
transcript of that entire AAR is in the

176
00:07:46,850 --> 00:07:44,460
book

177
00:07:48,350 --> 00:07:46,860
uh so I'm getting ready to uh you have

178
00:07:50,809 --> 00:07:48,360
the team packed up return back to base

179
00:07:52,550 --> 00:07:50,819
camp it's about a half a mile hike back

180
00:07:54,650 --> 00:07:52,560
to base camp the meadow is very remote

181
00:07:56,629 --> 00:07:54,660
you can't get to it by vehicle you have

182
00:07:58,790 --> 00:07:56,639
to pack all of your equipment in there

183
00:08:01,249 --> 00:07:58,800
so we're Gathering up all of our

184
00:08:03,890 --> 00:08:01,259
equipment all of our gear in my base

185
00:08:05,270 --> 00:08:03,900
camp operator Glenn comes over the radio

186
00:08:07,189 --> 00:08:05,280
and he says hey you know there's

187
00:08:09,170 --> 00:08:07,199
somebody here that wants to talk to you

188
00:08:11,210 --> 00:08:09,180
and

189
00:08:12,770 --> 00:08:11,220
I'm thinking he was referring to himself

190
00:08:14,210 --> 00:08:12,780
and I said Glenn I'll talk to you when I

191
00:08:16,189 --> 00:08:14,220
get back and because no it's not me it's

192
00:08:19,550 --> 00:08:16,199
somebody else

193
00:08:20,510 --> 00:08:19,560
so obviously I'm a bit intrigued it was

194
00:08:23,990 --> 00:08:20,520
about

195
00:08:26,930 --> 00:08:24,000
22 30 10 30 at night

196
00:08:29,150 --> 00:08:26,940
in February in the middle of the forest

197
00:08:30,710 --> 00:08:29,160
in the wintertime

198
00:08:32,990 --> 00:08:30,720
but who's going to be out toodling

199
00:08:34,610 --> 00:08:33,000
around in the forest you know in the

200
00:08:37,790 --> 00:08:34,620
middle of the night it was a very odd

201
00:08:39,769 --> 00:08:37,800
the odd request but you know we packed

202
00:08:41,630 --> 00:08:39,779
up our gear went back there when I

203
00:08:44,149 --> 00:08:41,640
arrived much to my surprise there was a

204
00:08:46,310 --> 00:08:44,159
woman in our camp in our base camp

205
00:08:48,310 --> 00:08:46,320
dressed as a businesswoman she was

206
00:08:52,550 --> 00:08:48,320
wearing uh loafers

207
00:08:55,430 --> 00:08:52,560
slacks a blouse and a blazer

208
00:08:57,170 --> 00:08:55,440
so you know in my chapter I believe I

209
00:08:59,210 --> 00:08:57,180
titled it the mysterious business woman

210
00:09:00,829 --> 00:08:59,220
of the force because it you know here's

211
00:09:03,230 --> 00:09:00,839
a businesswoman

212
00:09:05,449 --> 00:09:03,240
waiting for us to return from our you

213
00:09:07,790 --> 00:09:05,459
know extraordinary uh encounters and

214
00:09:10,310 --> 00:09:07,800
happenings that you know just occurred

215
00:09:12,050 --> 00:09:10,320
you know an hour or so before

216
00:09:13,670 --> 00:09:12,060
so uh

217
00:09:14,930 --> 00:09:13,680
you know this woman comes up to me and

218
00:09:16,670 --> 00:09:14,940
she starts

219
00:09:19,670 --> 00:09:16,680
talking about

220
00:09:22,250 --> 00:09:19,680
uh you know rather agitated about this

221
00:09:25,130 --> 00:09:22,260
area that she wants us to drop what we

222
00:09:27,290 --> 00:09:25,140
were doing and follow her to this remote

223
00:09:29,690 --> 00:09:27,300
site and she describes it as being down

224
00:09:31,430 --> 00:09:29,700
at deserted County Road

225
00:09:33,829 --> 00:09:31,440
and at the end of this road there's a

226
00:09:34,670 --> 00:09:33,839
structure like a barn or a shed or

227
00:09:36,829 --> 00:09:34,680
something

228
00:09:38,810 --> 00:09:36,839
and she said this structure is inhabited

229
00:09:40,790 --> 00:09:38,820
by a family of what she calls monkey

230
00:09:42,710 --> 00:09:40,800
bears

231
00:09:44,509 --> 00:09:42,720
I've never heard of a monkey bear before

232
00:09:46,550 --> 00:09:44,519
I know what a gummy bear is I know how

233
00:09:49,190 --> 00:09:46,560
Smokey the Bear is but a monkey bear

234
00:09:51,470 --> 00:09:49,200
that's a new one on me

235
00:09:53,570 --> 00:09:51,480
and she seemed off

236
00:09:54,829 --> 00:09:53,580
she seemed

237
00:09:56,570 --> 00:09:54,839
I you know it's really hard to

238
00:09:58,610 --> 00:09:56,580
articulous something just wasn't right

239
00:10:00,590 --> 00:09:58,620
about this woman

240
00:10:02,150 --> 00:10:00,600
and she was insistent you know you've

241
00:10:03,710 --> 00:10:02,160
got to drop what you're doing you must

242
00:10:05,030 --> 00:10:03,720
follow me down there you know this is

243
00:10:07,250 --> 00:10:05,040
really important

244
00:10:08,630 --> 00:10:07,260
and so of course all of the uh you know

245
00:10:12,050 --> 00:10:08,640
all the variables start rolling through

246
00:10:14,630 --> 00:10:12,060
our heads you know is she you know

247
00:10:15,829 --> 00:10:14,640
trying to lure us away so we can be

248
00:10:18,170 --> 00:10:15,839
robbed

249
00:10:20,269 --> 00:10:18,180
you know uh does she have some sort of

250
00:10:23,030 --> 00:10:20,279
art ulterior motive you know what what

251
00:10:25,190 --> 00:10:23,040
are her what are her driving forces that

252
00:10:27,050 --> 00:10:25,200
makes her so insistent about us

253
00:10:30,889 --> 00:10:27,060
following her

254
00:10:33,949 --> 00:10:30,899
and what rational person would expect a

255
00:10:36,110 --> 00:10:33,959
group that you had just met

256
00:10:38,210 --> 00:10:36,120
to completely throw their trust in you

257
00:10:41,750 --> 00:10:38,220
and follow you to a remote location in

258
00:10:44,150 --> 00:10:41,760
the middle of nowhere so it seemed awful

259
00:10:45,769 --> 00:10:44,160
and so she you know continued uh you

260
00:10:48,170 --> 00:10:45,779
know trying to convince us to follow her

261
00:10:52,130 --> 00:10:48,180
and she struck up a uh you know

262
00:10:55,490 --> 00:10:52,140
conversation with me and she said uh oh

263
00:10:57,230 --> 00:10:55,500
well you know you know did you go to

264
00:10:59,030 --> 00:10:57,240
college or something like that I said

265
00:11:00,290 --> 00:10:59,040
yes of course I said I went to the uh

266
00:11:02,990 --> 00:11:00,300
you know graduated from the University

267
00:11:06,410 --> 00:11:03,000
of West Georgia in Carrollton

268
00:11:08,329 --> 00:11:06,420
and she says oh I did too

269
00:11:10,610 --> 00:11:08,339
and then she says what is what was your

270
00:11:12,769 --> 00:11:10,620
uh what's your degree in

271
00:11:15,470 --> 00:11:12,779
and I told her I have a ba humanistic

272
00:11:17,449 --> 00:11:15,480
psychology and she's like oh I do too

273
00:11:19,370 --> 00:11:17,459
and I thought okay you know

274
00:11:21,710 --> 00:11:19,380
she's playing with me she is just

275
00:11:24,530 --> 00:11:21,720
parroting back what I say so I'm going

276
00:11:27,410 --> 00:11:24,540
to catch her I'm going to be very clever

277
00:11:28,970 --> 00:11:27,420
and I said what and who were your

278
00:11:30,650 --> 00:11:28,980
favorite professors there who did you

279
00:11:32,630 --> 00:11:30,660
actually study under

280
00:11:33,829 --> 00:11:32,640
and she started naming people I actually

281
00:11:36,949 --> 00:11:33,839
knew

282
00:11:39,230 --> 00:11:36,959
that I studied under

283
00:11:41,569 --> 00:11:39,240
and so I thought okay this is this is a

284
00:11:43,370 --> 00:11:41,579
little too weird okay this is you know

285
00:11:44,870 --> 00:11:43,380
this has just been knocked up I was a

286
00:11:48,710 --> 00:11:44,880
little unnerved before now it's been

287
00:11:51,290 --> 00:11:48,720
knocked up you know one more increment

288
00:11:53,750 --> 00:11:51,300
and so she continued on you know with uh

289
00:11:56,630 --> 00:11:53,760
with her uh you know her

290
00:11:58,670 --> 00:11:56,640
attempt to uh get us to follow her in

291
00:12:01,790 --> 00:11:58,680
the middle of this uh she breaks off

292
00:12:04,610 --> 00:12:01,800
from us walks out about maybe 20 meters

293
00:12:07,670 --> 00:12:04,620
or so still within the light of our uh

294
00:12:10,850 --> 00:12:07,680
lanterns and she squats down and urinate

295
00:12:14,389 --> 00:12:13,069
and uh comes back over like nothing

296
00:12:15,829 --> 00:12:14,399
happened like that was the most normal

297
00:12:18,050 --> 00:12:15,839
thing in the world

298
00:12:20,810 --> 00:12:18,060
and we finally were able to get her to

299
00:12:22,970 --> 00:12:20,820
go away to leave

300
00:12:25,250 --> 00:12:22,980
and it was so unnerving

301
00:12:28,970 --> 00:12:25,260
that one of my team members who is a

302
00:12:30,350 --> 00:12:28,980
former uh member of the U.S Army Ranger

303
00:12:33,170 --> 00:12:30,360
regiment

304
00:12:34,790 --> 00:12:33,180
uh uh Special Operations guy and I said

305
00:12:36,290 --> 00:12:34,800
hey you know Tim do you have your

306
00:12:38,150 --> 00:12:36,300
sidearm with you

307
00:12:40,490 --> 00:12:38,160
and he says yes of course and I said

308
00:12:42,829 --> 00:12:40,500
this isn't right something is wrong

309
00:12:45,230 --> 00:12:42,839
about this whole situation

310
00:12:48,470 --> 00:12:45,240
I want you and I to back off of go

311
00:12:50,090 --> 00:12:48,480
outside of Camp about 75 yards and just

312
00:12:52,009 --> 00:12:50,100
do a circle because I wouldn't be

313
00:12:54,410 --> 00:12:52,019
surprised if she left somebody here that

314
00:12:56,329 --> 00:12:54,420
we're not aware of

315
00:12:58,550 --> 00:12:56,339
and we did like a quick patrol around

316
00:13:00,650 --> 00:12:58,560
the camp and we discovered nobody we

317
00:13:04,370 --> 00:13:00,660
were standing with thermal and FLIR

318
00:13:06,470 --> 00:13:04,380
night vision we didn't see anybody

319
00:13:08,509 --> 00:13:06,480
so we just Struck it up to a very

320
00:13:10,610 --> 00:13:08,519
unusual happening and the more I thought

321
00:13:13,069 --> 00:13:10,620
about this

322
00:13:14,750 --> 00:13:13,079
and going back into uh you know some of

323
00:13:16,310 --> 00:13:14,760
the records and some of the the research

324
00:13:18,050 --> 00:13:16,320
and you mentioned you know John Keel you

325
00:13:21,110 --> 00:13:18,060
know pulling up some of his uh some of

326
00:13:22,970 --> 00:13:21,120
his books out of my library

327
00:13:25,509 --> 00:13:22,980
you have some of my factors that come

328
00:13:28,250 --> 00:13:25,519
into play they're very obvious a person

329
00:13:31,790 --> 00:13:28,260
not properly dressed or dressed

330
00:13:39,050 --> 00:13:35,990
person who seems off or unusual odd

331
00:13:41,690 --> 00:13:39,060
a bit uncanny

332
00:13:42,889 --> 00:13:41,700
a person who doesn't understand social

333
00:13:44,930 --> 00:13:42,899
QA

334
00:13:47,150 --> 00:13:44,940
like we kept saying you know have a good

335
00:13:48,590 --> 00:13:47,160
night take care drive safely and she

336
00:13:49,670 --> 00:13:48,600
wouldn't pick up on the fact that we

337
00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:49,680
were ending

338
00:13:52,970 --> 00:13:51,360
the conversation

339
00:13:56,150 --> 00:13:52,980
and a person that doesn't understand

340
00:14:00,530 --> 00:13:56,160
what is proper and improper

341
00:14:02,090 --> 00:14:00,540
uh behavior in a polite culture I.E you

342
00:14:04,430 --> 00:14:02,100
don't urinate in front of people unless

343
00:14:06,650 --> 00:14:04,440
you know them really really well

344
00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:06,660
so there's one one practice one group of

345
00:14:10,430 --> 00:14:08,880
people that fit this criteria as they

346
00:14:11,930 --> 00:14:10,440
relate to incidents of the high

347
00:14:13,670 --> 00:14:11,940
strangeness

348
00:14:14,870 --> 00:14:13,680
John Keel talked about him dick

349
00:14:16,069 --> 00:14:14,880
Redford's written a book about him

350
00:14:18,610 --> 00:14:16,079
they're called the men and women in

351
00:14:21,829 --> 00:14:18,620
black you know very common

352
00:14:23,269 --> 00:14:21,839
occurrences uh you know where people who

353
00:14:24,769 --> 00:14:23,279
have had the incidences of high

354
00:14:27,350 --> 00:14:24,779
strangeness and these individuals come

355
00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:27,360
in they try to dissuade them either from

356
00:14:33,230 --> 00:14:30,480
continuing their research or try to uh

357
00:14:35,150 --> 00:14:33,240
tamper and Tamp down their discussion of

358
00:14:38,030 --> 00:14:35,160
the experiences

359
00:14:39,710 --> 00:14:38,040
so was this a human being that we

360
00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:39,720
interacted with

361
00:14:44,810 --> 00:14:42,240
was it somebody or something from

362
00:14:47,269 --> 00:14:44,820
Another Universe or another dimension we

363
00:14:48,829 --> 00:14:47,279
didn't know well Turn the Page uh

364
00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:48,839
several months later

365
00:14:56,030 --> 00:14:52,800
uh I had a a message from an individual

366
00:14:57,889 --> 00:14:56,040
who is a psychotherapist that lives in

367
00:15:00,350 --> 00:14:57,899
Turkey

368
00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:00,360
American expats

369
00:15:04,970 --> 00:15:02,160
and he had listened to one of my

370
00:15:06,590 --> 00:15:04,980
interviews uh that I you know did on

371
00:15:09,230 --> 00:15:06,600
Coast to Coast to one of the uh you know

372
00:15:11,930 --> 00:15:09,240
one of the one of the interviews

373
00:15:14,329 --> 00:15:11,940
he says hey you know talk to me about uh

374
00:15:16,370 --> 00:15:14,339
first of all this this area called the

375
00:15:18,530 --> 00:15:16,380
Carrollton Vortex near the University of

376
00:15:21,230 --> 00:15:18,540
West Georgia which I had not had time to

377
00:15:22,610 --> 00:15:21,240
research but as we were discussing uh

378
00:15:25,189 --> 00:15:22,620
various things

379
00:15:27,350 --> 00:15:25,199
he said Do you happen to have the uh the

380
00:15:29,689 --> 00:15:27,360
name of the woman that visited you I

381
00:15:31,370 --> 00:15:29,699
said well I do I said we actually did a

382
00:15:33,889 --> 00:15:31,380
little bit of data mining on the name

383
00:15:35,930 --> 00:15:33,899
she gave us and we found a person

384
00:15:37,730 --> 00:15:35,940
that looks like the person that visit us

385
00:15:40,490 --> 00:15:37,740
who appears to be a real person and

386
00:15:42,350 --> 00:15:40,500
we're still just mystified by this

387
00:15:44,689 --> 00:15:42,360
he said I won't watch your name and I

388
00:15:45,530 --> 00:15:44,699
said her name is you know Miss blank

389
00:15:49,069 --> 00:15:45,540
blank

390
00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:49,079
and he said I think I know her

391
00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:51,600
do you mind if I contact her I would

392
00:15:55,009 --> 00:15:53,040
think went to college with her because

393
00:15:56,629 --> 00:15:55,019
this individual was also a graduate of

394
00:15:59,210 --> 00:15:56,639
the University of West Georgia

395
00:16:01,310 --> 00:15:59,220
uh the psychotherapist

396
00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:01,320
and I said no not at all as a matter of

397
00:16:04,490 --> 00:16:02,639
fact I would love to interview her I

398
00:16:06,350 --> 00:16:04,500
said I'm not you know I don't want to

399
00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:06,360
Outer because the way she was acting was

400
00:16:10,910 --> 00:16:09,120
very strange and the profession that she

401
00:16:14,090 --> 00:16:10,920
uh said that she was in

402
00:16:16,910 --> 00:16:14,100
uh requires a license you know from the

403
00:16:19,610 --> 00:16:16,920
state and you know the way she was

404
00:16:21,769 --> 00:16:19,620
acting you know could

405
00:16:23,329 --> 00:16:21,779
you interfere with uh you know that

406
00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:23,339
license so you know I don't want to

407
00:16:26,269 --> 00:16:24,720
Outer I don't want to you know do

408
00:16:30,110 --> 00:16:26,279
anything negative I just I'm interested

409
00:16:32,090 --> 00:16:30,120
I'm curious what exactly was going on

410
00:16:34,610 --> 00:16:32,100
so she declined to be interviewed by me

411
00:16:37,610 --> 00:16:34,620
but she was willing to talk to him

412
00:16:39,710 --> 00:16:37,620
and uh he asked her he said

413
00:16:40,430 --> 00:16:39,720
do you remember anything about that

414
00:16:43,329 --> 00:16:40,440
evening

415
00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:43,339
and she says yes I remember

416
00:16:48,829 --> 00:16:46,620
driving by their Camp earlier in the day

417
00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:48,839
because uh you know I have a very

418
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:50,399
stressful job and I like to head out

419
00:16:56,569 --> 00:16:53,759
into the middle of the forest to unwind

420
00:16:58,910 --> 00:16:56,579
and I

421
00:17:00,290 --> 00:16:58,920
saw something like a sticker on one of

422
00:17:02,689 --> 00:17:00,300
their trucks or something that had like

423
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:02,699
a Sasquatch or something and I wanted to

424
00:17:06,890 --> 00:17:04,799
talk to them about my experiences when I

425
00:17:08,350 --> 00:17:06,900
was a young child so I came back later

426
00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:08,360
that night

427
00:17:12,850 --> 00:17:10,740
and you know I wanted them to go out

428
00:17:15,530 --> 00:17:12,860
with me and see this site where it was

429
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:15,540
and they didn't seem too interested and

430
00:17:18,230 --> 00:17:16,799
it seemed like they were hiding

431
00:17:19,789 --> 00:17:18,240
something from me there was something

432
00:17:22,130 --> 00:17:19,799
they were doing that they didn't want me

433
00:17:24,829 --> 00:17:22,140
to know which was accurate you know we

434
00:17:25,850 --> 00:17:24,839
wanted to do our after action brief and

435
00:17:27,710 --> 00:17:25,860
uh

436
00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:27,720
you know didn't need to have crying

437
00:17:33,890 --> 00:17:30,240
years while we were doing this

438
00:17:36,529 --> 00:17:33,900
and uh my friend asked her did anything

439
00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:36,539
else seem or out of the ordinary unusual

440
00:17:39,529 --> 00:17:37,919
and she goes no they just didn't seem

441
00:17:42,169 --> 00:17:39,539
interested in talking to me and I got in

442
00:17:44,690 --> 00:17:42,179
my vehicle and left

443
00:17:46,250 --> 00:17:44,700
and I went back and I queried my team I

444
00:17:48,770 --> 00:17:46,260
said everybody write up a quick

445
00:17:51,169 --> 00:17:48,780
statement about your impressions

446
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:51,179
and Recollections of what happened that

447
00:17:56,570 --> 00:17:53,280
evening

448
00:17:59,390 --> 00:17:56,580
and you know to a person that came back

449
00:18:01,850 --> 00:17:59,400
that she was very strange uh my base

450
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:01,860
camp operator whose name is Glenn

451
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:05,039
like a 30-year career paramedic has

452
00:18:10,270 --> 00:18:07,679
dealt with all kinds of people in all

453
00:18:12,350 --> 00:18:10,280
kinds of state of uh

454
00:18:14,210 --> 00:18:12,360
disarray you know be a medical or

455
00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:14,220
medical or psychological and he says

456
00:18:18,110 --> 00:18:16,380
I've never seen anybody act like this

457
00:18:21,289 --> 00:18:18,120
woman act because some of the strangest

458
00:18:24,770 --> 00:18:21,299
most bizarre behavior I've ever seen and

459
00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:24,780
everybody uh remembers her urinate she

460
00:18:30,289 --> 00:18:27,120
doesn't recall any of this

461
00:18:32,330 --> 00:18:30,299
so that puts a different little twist on

462
00:18:35,390 --> 00:18:32,340
the whole men slash women in black

463
00:18:38,029 --> 00:18:35,400
phenomena are these human beings actual

464
00:18:40,250 --> 00:18:38,039
real people that are being influenced by

465
00:18:42,289 --> 00:18:40,260
something else and are they overlaid

466
00:18:45,409 --> 00:18:42,299
with a screen memory

467
00:18:47,450 --> 00:18:45,419
to mask their recollection of uh their

468
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:47,460
bizarre behavior

469
00:18:52,250 --> 00:18:49,440
so that just puts a whole different

470
00:18:54,350 --> 00:18:52,260
little twist on things that uh I don't

471
00:18:56,090 --> 00:18:54,360
know if it was exactly there before that

472
00:18:57,770 --> 00:18:56,100
obvious perhaps we're real actual people

473
00:18:59,890 --> 00:18:57,780
under the influence of something else

474
00:19:03,409 --> 00:18:59,900
and talking to my friend the

475
00:19:04,430 --> 00:19:03,419
psychotherapist he said you know she was

476
00:19:35,390 --> 00:19:04,440
a

477
00:19:38,990 --> 00:19:35,400
life

478
00:19:41,150 --> 00:19:39,000
it is a weird one a very weird one in

479
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:41,160
fact and it kind of stood out to me

480
00:19:46,909 --> 00:19:43,919
because it is very much Mothman like

481
00:19:49,930 --> 00:19:46,919
John Keel like the men women in black

482
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:49,940
type Behavior the synchronicities

483
00:19:55,930 --> 00:19:52,799
arriving to the location and

484
00:19:58,610 --> 00:19:55,940
investigating the area seem Eerie now

485
00:20:00,590 --> 00:19:58,620
you are exceptionally connected in

486
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,600
government-like circles and people who

487
00:20:05,390 --> 00:20:02,640
have worked with the military in sticky

488
00:20:07,850 --> 00:20:05,400
situations and they have backgrounds

489
00:20:10,970 --> 00:20:07,860
which are very valuable in situations

490
00:20:14,270 --> 00:20:10,980
like these this location has a long

491
00:20:16,010 --> 00:20:14,280
history of belief in Social Circles and

492
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:16,020
the culture of the population and the

493
00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:18,720
surrounding area and many tales much

494
00:20:24,110 --> 00:20:21,480
like the wild monkey bear story which

495
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,120
I've never heard of those either

496
00:20:28,850 --> 00:20:26,640
um can you mention a few of the Suburban

497
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:28,860
Legends or Tales you've heard that

498
00:20:34,730 --> 00:20:31,679
surround the general location

499
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:34,740
uh yeah absolutely uh about the first 25

500
00:20:38,330 --> 00:20:37,200
of my book I I go into the history of

501
00:20:39,650 --> 00:20:38,340
this area

502
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:39,660
uh

503
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,760
it yeah I go all the way back to the

504
00:20:45,950 --> 00:20:43,679
Native American history which was you

505
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,960
know very rich uh you know in this

506
00:20:50,690 --> 00:20:47,760
general area and I look at it from a

507
00:20:53,690 --> 00:20:50,700
macro to a micro I go into a

508
00:20:55,549 --> 00:20:53,700
a multi-state you know macro area then

509
00:20:57,710 --> 00:20:55,559
I've tighten it into the county

510
00:20:59,690 --> 00:20:57,720
surrounding the Blackwater Nature

511
00:21:02,390 --> 00:20:59,700
Preserve where this area is and then

512
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:02,400
tighten in on the actual preserve itself

513
00:21:08,270 --> 00:21:05,520
and in the general area uh there's a lot

514
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,280
of Native American uh folklore of uh

515
00:21:12,409 --> 00:21:10,080
Skinwalker type

516
00:21:14,270 --> 00:21:12,419
entities now this is of course in the

517
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:14,280
South not in the west so they don't use

518
00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:16,080
the term Skinwalker but there is a

519
00:21:21,049 --> 00:21:17,700
unique uh

520
00:21:22,970 --> 00:21:21,059
uh sorceress you know shamanistic type

521
00:21:25,970 --> 00:21:22,980
of person called the uh spear finger

522
00:21:29,570 --> 00:21:25,980
witch which was a uh a female Native

523
00:21:31,789 --> 00:21:29,580
American uh entity that would steal the

524
00:21:33,770 --> 00:21:31,799
livers and Souls of children

525
00:21:35,330 --> 00:21:33,780
you know and cackle while she was eating

526
00:21:37,549 --> 00:21:35,340
their livers

527
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:37,559
and uh you know was enchanted there's

528
00:21:42,289 --> 00:21:39,360
also stories of what they call this

529
00:21:45,409 --> 00:21:42,299
Stone coat Giants which were large

530
00:21:48,890 --> 00:21:45,419
humanoid type creatures whose thick hair

531
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,900
acted as a a ballistic barrier when they

532
00:21:51,950 --> 00:21:50,400
they would shoot their arrows at these

533
00:21:55,549 --> 00:21:51,960
creatures they would bounce off of their

534
00:21:57,470 --> 00:21:55,559
thick matted hair I.E Sasquatch you know

535
00:21:59,390 --> 00:21:57,480
Bigfoot once again we see you know

536
00:22:02,029 --> 00:21:59,400
certain commonalities

537
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,039
uh bringing it Forward into the more

538
00:22:07,370 --> 00:22:04,559
modern era uh this this general area

539
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:07,380
among multiple States

540
00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:12,480
has a a rich history of ghosts uh

541
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:15,960
Bigfoot sightings uh you have some

542
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,919
fantastic UAP sighting UFO sightings in

543
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,360
in instances

544
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,760
and then we tighten it in close very

545
00:22:28,490 --> 00:22:26,159
close into the actual Nature Preserve

546
00:22:31,370 --> 00:22:28,500
itself they've had some really amazing

547
00:22:33,049 --> 00:22:31,380
uh UFO sightings once again there

548
00:22:34,490 --> 00:22:33,059
if you know where the location is and

549
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,500
you go to bfr and some of the other

550
00:22:39,049 --> 00:22:36,480
encrypted research organizations very

551
00:22:41,870 --> 00:22:39,059
rich history about Bigfoot sightings in

552
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,880
this area which we've also seen Cryptids

553
00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:43,440
while we've been out

554
00:22:49,310 --> 00:22:45,720
is that it also has a very dark history

555
00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:49,320
uh you know bodies being found people

556
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:52,200
being murdered uh strange

557
00:22:57,470 --> 00:22:54,720
you know strange events going on uh you

558
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,480
know things like that that end in a very

559
00:23:02,090 --> 00:23:00,000
tragic uh you know tragic you know

560
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,100
circumstance it's a very tragic end uh

561
00:23:07,070 --> 00:23:04,799
recently within the past month we had a

562
00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:07,080
terrible murder you know in an area not

563
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,720
too far from where we researched

564
00:23:14,570 --> 00:23:11,760
so it's one of those areas that just

565
00:23:19,610 --> 00:23:17,029
you know a lot of tragedy there a lot of

566
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,620
high strangeness and a lot of amazing

567
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:22,559
encounters so you know the folklore

568
00:23:29,149 --> 00:23:26,400
is Rich the uh the the more data-driven

569
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:29,159
accounts I.E you know BFRO and some of

570
00:23:33,169 --> 00:23:30,240
the other organizations that actually

571
00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:33,179
collect data is rich

572
00:23:37,250 --> 00:23:35,220
and then the uh

573
00:23:39,049 --> 00:23:37,260
you know the the history of the area as

574
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:39,059
far as you know negative things

575
00:23:43,070 --> 00:23:41,220
happening there is very rich

576
00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:43,080
so it makes for a very unique location

577
00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:44,940
somewhere you kind of need to be you

578
00:23:47,870 --> 00:23:46,620
know on the ball when you go to you need

579
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,880
to be certainly aware of your

580
00:23:52,370 --> 00:23:50,159
surrounding and really tuned into what's

581
00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:52,380
going on which just makes it all the

582
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,120
more interesting in our right for

583
00:23:59,330 --> 00:23:55,760
research

584
00:24:01,250 --> 00:23:59,340
yes absolutely and I find it very

585
00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:01,260
interesting that there are various

586
00:24:07,549 --> 00:24:04,260
locations in this world which

587
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:07,559
portray out of the ordinary attributes

588
00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:10,559
much like you've mentioned and they can

589
00:24:15,529 --> 00:24:13,080
substantially surpass what the human

590
00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:15,539
mind can realistically comprehend this

591
00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:18,360
seems to be one of those locations it's

592
00:24:23,149 --> 00:24:20,760
been mentioned by ancient Native

593
00:24:26,029 --> 00:24:23,159
American tribes that some Geographic

594
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,039
locations May hold energies that have a

595
00:24:30,350 --> 00:24:28,320
a mystical twist and often lend

596
00:24:32,830 --> 00:24:30,360
themselves to dark adepts like I believe

597
00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:32,840
you said the spirit finger witch

598
00:24:36,049 --> 00:24:34,440
and

599
00:24:38,090 --> 00:24:36,059
um these Tails have to come from some

600
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:38,100
somewhere I mean the stone coat Giants

601
00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:40,440
it sounds horrific these highly

602
00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:44,340
energized and traumatic areas

603
00:24:49,549 --> 00:24:46,200
they have

604
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,559
um what some claim can be known as a

605
00:24:54,649 --> 00:24:51,360
hitchhiker effect and you mentioned

606
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,659
George Knapp in more recent times uh he

607
00:25:00,110 --> 00:24:56,880
and Colm Kelleher wrote a book I think

608
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:00,120
it was one year ago this coming Monday

609
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,360
um which kind of uh attributes and goes

610
00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:05,760
into detail about this hitchhiker effect

611
00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:08,460
and what comes about uh can can we

612
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,260
discuss the hitchhiker effect so our

613
00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:12,000
listeners understand it and my next

614
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:14,340
question is have you had any cases of

615
00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:17,940
that with yourself or your team

616
00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:20,940
sure yeah The Hitchhiker effect is

617
00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:23,700
something that you know has been

618
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,740
reported that individuals and

619
00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:28,320
researchers who look into areas of high

620
00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:29,940
strengthness

621
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:32,520
uh have something that follows them you

622
00:25:37,490 --> 00:25:35,520
know goes home with them uh and the book

623
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:37,500
that you you talked about that you know

624
00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:40,080
I've read it it goes into depth and once

625
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,940
again I was kind of shocked by some of

626
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,679
the similarities that their accounts

627
00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:46,080
were to some of the accounts of my team

628
00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:48,600
uh and we start Crossing into what

629
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:51,240
people call paranormal you know ghost

630
00:25:56,890 --> 00:25:54,600
stuff and it's kind of on a Segway here

631
00:26:00,590 --> 00:25:56,900
you know something I've started

632
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:00,600
observing and have come to accept and I

633
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:03,600
think this is an accurate statement

634
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:06,720
is you know whether it's paranormal I.E

635
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,620
ghost stuff or Cryptid or uaps or high

636
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:12,480
strengthness

637
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:14,340
I think it may be part of the same

638
00:26:17,810 --> 00:26:16,380
phenomena you know they're all facets to

639
00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:17,820
the same Diamond we're just looking at

640
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,740
them through different uh prisms you

641
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:21,600
know different facets

642
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:24,240
so yeah we have people that are

643
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:26,100
investigating areas known for you know

644
00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:27,600
UFOs and high strangers now they're

645
00:26:30,769 --> 00:26:29,159
encountering you know paranormal things

646
00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:30,779
happening back at their homes or their

647
00:26:34,190 --> 00:26:31,980
places of business

648
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:34,200
your second question have we encountered

649
00:26:39,769 --> 00:26:37,500
that absolutely absolutely uh we've had

650
00:26:42,409 --> 00:26:39,779
several interesting accounts that have

651
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,419
happened uh you know by my team

652
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,880
uh and I'll go into a couple of the more

653
00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:46,799
remarkable ones uh one of my team

654
00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:50,820
members uh she uh we turned home after

655
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:52,620
spending a research weekend at the

656
00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:53,760
meadow

657
00:26:59,930 --> 00:26:57,299
and she was uh filming her young child

658
00:27:01,970 --> 00:26:59,940
uh playing on an elliptical machine they

659
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:01,980
had at their home you know he was just

660
00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:03,240
you know a little toddler he was just

661
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,620
playing on it

662
00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:06,960
and through the viewfinder on her phone

663
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,580
as she's filming him

664
00:27:13,490 --> 00:27:10,559
she sees an orc

665
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,500
you know a a ball of light you know

666
00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:15,360
floating around

667
00:27:20,269 --> 00:27:17,580
and what makes it really interesting is

668
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,279
while she's filming this her young son

669
00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:22,080
points at it

670
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:24,840
and starts saying ball ball

671
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,659
he sees it too

672
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,520
and you know she's had some you know

673
00:27:34,210 --> 00:27:31,919
unusual happenings at her home my own

674
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,220
personal experience is

675
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:36,779
I had a

676
00:27:44,029 --> 00:27:40,559
a small LED flashlight that I set up on

677
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:44,039
my desk uh one evening

678
00:27:49,310 --> 00:27:45,900
and I turned around and the little

679
00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:49,320
flashlight was gone it disappeared

680
00:27:53,950 --> 00:27:51,779
and you know like a lot of people I

681
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:53,960
assumed that I knocked it over or was

682
00:27:58,610 --> 00:27:56,220
misremembering where I put it I searched

683
00:28:01,250 --> 00:27:58,620
all over you know the room for it

684
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,260
went to bed the next morning I came back

685
00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:03,600
and the flashlight is right where it was

686
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,299
originally sitting on my desk

687
00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:08,159
so something had moved that flashlight

688
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,740
and then put it back while I was asleep

689
00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:13,440
uh a lot of people that investigate High

690
00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:15,480
strengthness uh encounter the trickster

691
00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:17,880
element you know there's almost like a a

692
00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:20,340
someone tricking you and playing jokes

693
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:21,240
on you

694
00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:24,000
uh we recently uh the team was

695
00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:26,460
investigating another area

696
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,580
uh not the meadow uh called The Herd

697
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:31,679
Corridor uh near Georgia and Alabama

698
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:34,020
very famous very famous area for high

699
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:35,279
strangeness

700
00:28:40,490 --> 00:28:37,620
and one of the uh the guest researchers

701
00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:40,500
that was along with us he went back and

702
00:28:45,710 --> 00:28:43,740
had a situation of uh The Hitchhiker

703
00:28:48,409 --> 00:28:45,720
that was so significant he actually had

704
00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:48,419
to call someone to help clean his house

705
00:28:52,669 --> 00:28:49,620
or clear it

706
00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:52,679
a lot of paranormal experiences going on

707
00:28:57,890 --> 00:28:54,779
after that we were researching uh the

708
00:29:01,149 --> 00:28:57,900
true bird Corridor which once again you

709
00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:01,159
know we had a experienced shadow people

710
00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:05,460
uh I witnessed a a amazing award to my

711
00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:06,900
night vision you know for several

712
00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:07,740
minutes

713
00:29:12,409 --> 00:29:10,740
uh and then that area and once again

714
00:29:14,450 --> 00:29:12,419
it's separate from the meadow it's not

715
00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:14,460
the same area but the hitchhiker

716
00:29:18,529 --> 00:29:16,620
phenomena is uh is well known and well

717
00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:18,539
documented by people that investigate

718
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,279
you know these various attributes of

719
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:22,559
high strangeness and you know you may

720
00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:24,840
even have some account yourself you know

721
00:29:30,169 --> 00:29:28,440
of something uh just seeming to uh to

722
00:29:32,409 --> 00:29:30,179
hang around and visit for a little bit

723
00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:32,419
longer

724
00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:35,460
yes and it's something strange I found

725
00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:37,020
is that

726
00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:39,960
well a common paranormal account that

727
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,820
some researchers and investigators have

728
00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:44,159
encountered aside from The Hitchhiker

729
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:45,240
effect is

730
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,720
sort of making contact and for a lack of

731
00:29:53,090 --> 00:29:51,120
a better word becoming an integral part

732
00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:53,100
of the Paranormal event or phenomena

733
00:29:59,630 --> 00:29:56,760
itself and not just an observer you have

734
00:30:01,549 --> 00:29:59,640
a portion of the book that goes into a

735
00:30:03,409 --> 00:30:01,559
little bit of detail about one of your

736
00:30:06,409 --> 00:30:03,419
team members

737
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,419
who for lack of a better word covered a

738
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,159
bunch of ground in a way that's not

739
00:30:11,450 --> 00:30:09,840
humanly possible

740
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:11,460
and

741
00:30:15,529 --> 00:30:13,740
um you know when when I saw that part

742
00:30:17,649 --> 00:30:15,539
combined with the theories from Jacques

743
00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:17,659
valet and Carl Young regarding

744
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:19,860
extraterrestrial intelligence or what

745
00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:22,020
may be more like an interdimensional

746
00:30:28,669 --> 00:30:26,279
intelligence this can permeate and the

747
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:28,679
human mind and make basically contact

748
00:30:33,529 --> 00:30:31,740
with the Observer where they may or may

749
00:30:36,409 --> 00:30:33,539
not become part of the Paranormal event

750
00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:36,419
or phenomenon can we go into that case I

751
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:39,720
found that super super intriguing

752
00:30:47,570 --> 00:30:44,159
uh yeah absolutely uh and to kind of

753
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:47,580
address the uh the the whole concept is

754
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:50,460
you go into the uh the observer effect

755
00:30:56,510 --> 00:30:53,760
you know does the Observer actually by

756
00:30:59,090 --> 00:30:56,520
observing change the nature of the event

757
00:31:00,889 --> 00:30:59,100
and I think that's been proven you know

758
00:31:02,810 --> 00:31:00,899
scientifically with uh you know Quantum

759
00:31:05,169 --> 00:31:02,820
research and things like that so yes

760
00:31:08,330 --> 00:31:05,179
absolutely uh you know we are

761
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:08,340
experiential beings and we are part of

762
00:31:13,850 --> 00:31:11,220
the the situation and the experience

763
00:31:18,289 --> 00:31:13,860
that particular evening was uh rather

764
00:31:20,210 --> 00:31:18,299
odd very strange we had a team member uh

765
00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:20,220
had some really strange things happen to

766
00:31:22,970 --> 00:31:20,940
him

767
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:22,980
we decided to go out into the meadow and

768
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:26,460
set up a very uh methodical

769
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,860
uh operation that evening and what we

770
00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:30,720
were going to do is set up three teams

771
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:33,000
uh in the meadow

772
00:31:37,549 --> 00:31:35,880
with night vision and flear a three

773
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:37,559
observation teams and we were going to

774
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,200
have a single team member move across

775
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:42,000
the top of this Ridge that's adjacent

776
00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:45,240
the meadow and the idea was

777
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:48,120
several uh you know there's two or three

778
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,340
fold is he could move across the top of

779
00:31:54,649 --> 00:31:52,080
the ridge if there was anything between

780
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,659
the top of the Ridge and the meadow he

781
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,880
could possibly flush it down to where

782
00:32:00,529 --> 00:31:58,320
the team members could pick it up on

783
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,539
their equipment uh he could observe

784
00:32:05,210 --> 00:32:02,640
something himself up on top of the ridge

785
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,220
or he also had a very high vaping point

786
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,200
where he could look down into the meadow

787
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:09,600
so he had you know very good uh uh

788
00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:11,640
position of observation

789
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:16,440
so as uh we got set up uh and he was

790
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,120
getting ready to start moving across the

791
00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:20,159
top of the ridge there was a a trail

792
00:32:24,110 --> 00:32:22,200
that leads to the Ridge and there's a

793
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:24,120
very well-known uh Landmark that we're

794
00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:25,860
all familiar with it so

795
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,520
a particular tree down across the trail

796
00:32:34,370 --> 00:32:31,919
and he gets on his radio and he says uh

797
00:32:36,529 --> 00:32:34,380
hey guys I'm at the tree across the

798
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,539
trail but I don't remember how I got

799
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:38,640
here

800
00:32:42,529 --> 00:32:40,500
so the first thing you know that pops

801
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:42,539
into your mind Occam's razor is he's

802
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,100
having a medical event

803
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:46,799
so our paramedics get on the radio and

804
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:49,020
they said okay you know are you

805
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:50,820
lightheaded

806
00:32:59,149 --> 00:32:56,340
have a headache no

807
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,159
recite Mary had a little lamb but we

808
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:01,200
think maybe a stroke you know he recited

809
00:33:05,450 --> 00:33:02,399
Mary had a little lamb do you have

810
00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:05,460
tingling in your extremity no

811
00:33:10,130 --> 00:33:07,020
you know did you fall down and get

812
00:33:12,769 --> 00:33:10,140
concussed no

813
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:12,779
so you know as human beings we like to

814
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:14,820
put things into a neat box

815
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,519
and the Box we put that into is maybe he

816
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:19,200
was just so focused on what he was doing

817
00:33:24,130 --> 00:33:21,480
that he didn't remember walking there

818
00:33:26,269 --> 00:33:24,140
we've all driven to work

819
00:33:27,889 --> 00:33:26,279
daydreaming and we pull into the parking

820
00:33:29,389 --> 00:33:27,899
lot and we don't really remember the

821
00:33:31,130 --> 00:33:29,399
drive there it's happened to all of it

822
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:31,140
so perhaps you know that's the easiest

823
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:33,360
and most convenient explanation so

824
00:33:43,490 --> 00:33:39,590
so he uh he moved across the top of the

825
00:33:45,289 --> 00:33:43,500
ridge dropped down into the Ridge and uh

826
00:33:48,649 --> 00:33:45,299
didn't see anything nothing interesting

827
00:33:50,090 --> 00:33:48,659
happened so uh he drops down into the

828
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:50,100
West End of the meadow and he starts

829
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:51,600
working his way East our one of our

830
00:33:54,769 --> 00:33:52,559
teams

831
00:33:57,230 --> 00:33:54,779
picks him up on their thermal they see

832
00:33:59,330 --> 00:33:57,240
his Heat Signature man-shaped he said

833
00:34:02,269 --> 00:33:59,340
that you're moving across the meadow

834
00:34:04,909 --> 00:34:02,279
the two individuals in that uh lpop

835
00:34:07,130 --> 00:34:04,919
listening post observation post uh was

836
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,140
once again my team member who was a

837
00:34:10,909 --> 00:34:09,119
former US Army Ranger also has a degree

838
00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:10,919
in physics from the Georgia Institute of

839
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:13,379
Technology and his partner who also has

840
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:14,940
a degree from the Georgia Institute of

841
00:34:20,329 --> 00:34:17,159
Technology and a master's degree

842
00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:20,339
and is a a career Medical Professional

843
00:34:26,210 --> 00:34:23,940
so two very dialed in feet on the ground

844
00:34:28,369 --> 00:34:26,220
competent

845
00:34:31,129 --> 00:34:28,379
professionals they're watching

846
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:31,139
this individual move towards them

847
00:34:35,389 --> 00:34:32,760
and as they're washing them through

848
00:34:37,609 --> 00:34:35,399
their thermals his Heat Signature turns

849
00:34:39,710 --> 00:34:37,619
into a ball of energy you know spherical

850
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:39,720
shape that they're watching through

851
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:42,659
their devices and it moves several

852
00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:44,339
hundred meters in just a few seconds and

853
00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:46,379
we calculated all of this

854
00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:49,980
and it's a between 23 and 25 miles an

855
00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:54,300
hour that this this heat signature moved

856
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,280
and then as of watching it it turned

857
00:35:01,250 --> 00:34:59,040
back into a man-shaped heat signature

858
00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:01,260
and they quickly got on the radio and

859
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:02,760
they said oh my goodness are you okay

860
00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:03,839
and they're watching through their

861
00:35:08,089 --> 00:35:05,640
thermals and they see his hand come up

862
00:35:09,290 --> 00:35:08,099
with a radio mic and respond yes I'm

863
00:35:11,089 --> 00:35:09,300
okay

864
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:11,099
and they say hey you need to come to us

865
00:35:14,569 --> 00:35:12,720
really quick

866
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:14,579
he said okay I'm on my way so he makes

867
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,839
his way over there and they're like oh

868
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,000
are you okay are you fine he's like I'm

869
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,119
okay why why do you ask

870
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,280
well we saw you turn into a you know

871
00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:25,440
your your heat signature turn into a

872
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:27,960
spherical shape and move at a inhuman

873
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,820
speed and then turn back into a regular

874
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:31,200
human shape

875
00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:33,180
and he said they said what was your you

876
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:34,680
know what happened he goes nothing I

877
00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:37,020
just walked over here

878
00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:38,940
you know from his perspective he just

879
00:35:43,490 --> 00:35:41,339
walked over there nothing had changed

880
00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:43,500
so you know to this day going back to

881
00:35:48,109 --> 00:35:45,300
the observer effect

882
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,119
who had the experience to be observed or

883
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:49,920
the Observer you know who actually had

884
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:52,079
their reality shifted in that particular

885
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:53,520
incident

886
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:56,040
so you know we saw that was pretty weird

887
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:57,839
you know most people would you know

888
00:36:02,089 --> 00:36:00,540
chalk that up as a Apex event in their

889
00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:02,099
uh you know career of researching into

890
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:03,480
this kind of stuff

891
00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:05,160
but it got even stranger the next

892
00:36:08,930 --> 00:36:07,320
morning uh the the same individual that

893
00:36:10,910 --> 00:36:08,940
had the missing time and

894
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:10,920
was observed turning into a ball of

895
00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:12,660
energy came over and he showed us his

896
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,020
GPS uh track

897
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:18,000
his background is in a back country

898
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:19,800
search and rescue he served many years

899
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:23,160
uh as a deputy chair and a law

900
00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:24,480
enforcement officer in the state of

901
00:36:28,010 --> 00:36:26,220
California spent many many years

902
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,020
conducting Back Country search and

903
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:31,680
rescue very competent outdoorsmen

904
00:36:36,109 --> 00:36:34,140
you know used to uh being out in the

905
00:36:37,609 --> 00:36:36,119
wilderness very comfortable with it and

906
00:36:40,849 --> 00:36:37,619
because of that one of the things that

907
00:36:44,089 --> 00:36:40,859
he always does is he turns his GPS on

908
00:36:47,089 --> 00:36:44,099
and runs a uh a track line you know the

909
00:36:49,609 --> 00:36:47,099
GPS records his uh his travels you know

910
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:49,619
throughout his uh his day

911
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:51,720
so he showed us this track line on his

912
00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:53,700
GPS the next morning

913
00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:55,800
and much to our amazement and

914
00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:58,260
astonishment his trackline was a series

915
00:37:02,210 --> 00:37:00,180
of straight lines

916
00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:02,220
some of which were on the other side of

917
00:37:08,329 --> 00:37:05,220
a very large Creek or small river that

918
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,339
you know you would get absolutely soaked

919
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:10,560
trying to get to the other side he was

920
00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:12,540
never on the other side of that River he

921
00:37:14,569 --> 00:37:13,740
was never on the other side of that

922
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:14,579
Creek

923
00:37:18,910 --> 00:37:17,579
also the very straight linear track

924
00:37:22,190 --> 00:37:18,920
lines

925
00:37:24,109 --> 00:37:22,200
uh were of such that you can't travel on

926
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,119
foot in a straight line the train is too

927
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:26,160
rough it's too rugged

928
00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:28,140
and the only way that we could figure

929
00:37:33,650 --> 00:37:31,020
that you could travel in a straight line

930
00:37:35,569 --> 00:37:33,660
would be if you were in the air

931
00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:35,579
If You Were Somehow flying over the

932
00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:37,260
terrain

933
00:37:41,569 --> 00:37:40,140
so you know couple that with his missing

934
00:37:43,730 --> 00:37:41,579
time that evening

935
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:43,740
him seemingly turning into a ball of

936
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:45,960
energy

937
00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:48,839
one has to wonder did he step out of our

938
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,220
existence did he step out of our

939
00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:52,560
Dimension or was he pulled out of our

940
00:37:56,450 --> 00:37:55,020
Dimension by forces unknown for a small

941
00:37:58,490 --> 00:37:56,460
period of time

942
00:38:00,190 --> 00:37:58,500
just enough that he could have these

943
00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:00,200
very strange

944
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,940
occurrences missing time

945
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:05,280
turning into a ball of energy and

946
00:38:07,609 --> 00:38:06,720
traveling in a straight line over the

947
00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:07,619
terrain

948
00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:10,020
to this day we've never come up with a

949
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:13,740
quote unquote plausible explanation

950
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:16,020
but when you start thinking about it the

951
00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:19,020
possibilities are quite amazing

952
00:38:25,069 --> 00:38:21,480
and what I really liked about your

953
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,079
research is the variety of the toolbox

954
00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:27,839
that you're digging into using the Estes

955
00:38:32,089 --> 00:38:29,880
method and I'd like to discuss that for

956
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:32,099
listeners as well

957
00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:32,760
um

958
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:35,700
but I wanted to touch on a point which

959
00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:36,720
is

960
00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:38,940
kind of interesting and another

961
00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:40,619
phenomena that's taken place out there

962
00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:43,020
which is the crop circle and you know

963
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:45,180
crop circles are strange and unexplained

964
00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:48,480
geometric patterns most oftenly found in

965
00:38:54,530 --> 00:38:51,540
fields and meadows and I've been looking

966
00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:54,540
into the research of the cccs the center

967
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:57,720
for crop circle studies and the research

968
00:39:03,310 --> 00:39:00,960
points out many of the telltale signs

969
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:03,320
that this Enigma displays

970
00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:05,880
verify verifying that the event is in

971
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:08,220
fact anomalous and the meadow where you

972
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:11,460
are researching has displayed a similar

973
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:13,800
strange set of markings or indentations

974
00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:16,440
on the ground and a wild way that the

975
00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:19,140
grass is bent and not broken can we

976
00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:21,000
discuss that and then maybe get into the

977
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:22,980
SDS method

978
00:39:28,430 --> 00:39:25,920
oh sure absolutely we uh one weekend we

979
00:39:31,130 --> 00:39:28,440
had decided to

980
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,140
to explore a uh another field another

981
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:33,599
meta which was about seven miles away so

982
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,960
uh team of about seven of us uh hiked

983
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:38,880
cross country to this Meadow with our

984
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:40,800
equipment and

985
00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:43,140
you know necessary support uh gear to

986
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:45,060
spend the night there

987
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:46,980
and uh the next next morning we came

988
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:48,900
back and there was some weird stuff that

989
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:50,099
happened while we were out in this other

990
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,200
Meadow uh

991
00:39:57,230 --> 00:39:54,480
but while we were gone uh two of the

992
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,240
team members uh let me back up when we

993
00:40:01,490 --> 00:39:59,760
returned one of the team members that's

994
00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:01,500
stayed back

995
00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:03,900
uh and another team member decided to

996
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:05,579
walk out to the meadow

997
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:08,040
and you know do a little observation

998
00:40:14,930 --> 00:40:11,160
before we were uh returning that morning

999
00:40:16,370 --> 00:40:14,940
and when they got there they observed a

1000
00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:16,380
set of

1001
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,660
and I'm going to use a term they weren't

1002
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:20,880
tire tracks but they looked like

1003
00:40:24,170 --> 00:40:22,140
Chiropractic and I'm going to use that

1004
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:24,180
as a descriptor so your listeners can

1005
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:25,920
kind of imagine what these things look

1006
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:28,920
like there were two parallel lines

1007
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:32,160
of depressed grass you know maybe

1008
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:35,760
12 18 inches wide linear two of them

1009
00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:39,180
running parallel almost like tire tracks

1010
00:40:44,810 --> 00:40:41,880
but what makes it weird

1011
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:44,820
is these two parallel track lines

1012
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,220
will almost look like something had been

1013
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,200
set into the meadow dropped from the air

1014
00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:51,359
traveled a distance and it was lifted

1015
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,220
out meaning there was a distinct start

1016
00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:55,920
point and a distinct ending point

1017
00:40:59,150 --> 00:40:57,420
you know it wasn't like something drove

1018
00:41:01,329 --> 00:40:59,160
down from the road or you know it was a

1019
00:41:04,609 --> 00:41:01,339
quad or something like that

1020
00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:04,619
and uh to make it even stranger is the

1021
00:41:09,530 --> 00:41:07,140
grass was bent over it wasn't broken it

1022
00:41:10,750 --> 00:41:09,540
was bent over uh grass about 18 inches

1023
00:41:14,270 --> 00:41:10,760
high

1024
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:14,280
and in these two track lines

1025
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,440
there were

1026
00:41:21,470 --> 00:41:19,440
ant hills you know and mole Hills and

1027
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:21,480
small little sapling you know little

1028
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,900
tiny uh saplings of trees just starting

1029
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:25,920
to grow

1030
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:28,560
they were not depressed they ain't Hills

1031
00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:30,180
were not depressed so it wasn't like

1032
00:41:34,490 --> 00:41:31,859
something was pressing down on the

1033
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:34,500
ground compacting the soil

1034
00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:37,440
it just bent over the grass which uh is

1035
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:39,900
very very strange

1036
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,820
once again no explanation it doesn't

1037
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:43,920
make any sense it gets even stranger

1038
00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:46,500
when we got back to Camp two of the

1039
00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:48,300
members that were on the packing trip

1040
00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:51,300
with us decided to go out and observe

1041
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,880
this strange phenomena and uh do a

1042
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,440
little research themselves while the

1043
00:41:59,390 --> 00:41:57,359
rest of us uh rested up and recovered

1044
00:42:01,250 --> 00:41:59,400
from our our trip

1045
00:42:02,690 --> 00:42:01,260
and they went out there with a full

1046
00:42:04,910 --> 00:42:02,700
spectrum camera

1047
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:04,920
and they noticed that they stood in the

1048
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:06,300
track in the middle of the track line

1049
00:42:10,910 --> 00:42:09,060
and pointed their camera down the track

1050
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:10,920
line to the West

1051
00:42:16,670 --> 00:42:15,119
they saw dare us a a cube or a box to

1052
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:16,680
their full spectrum camera they would

1053
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:18,660
take the camera down couldn't see what

1054
00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:20,339
the naked eye put it up there it was

1055
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:23,160
they would step out of the track line

1056
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:24,660
point that camera in the same direction

1057
00:42:28,970 --> 00:42:27,480
and it wasn't visible

1058
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,980
stepped out of the other side of the

1059
00:42:33,470 --> 00:42:30,480
track line once again wasn't visible

1060
00:42:36,530 --> 00:42:33,480
stepped into the track line there it was

1061
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:36,540
so they went to take a photograph and uh

1062
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,760
unfortunately you know they were still

1063
00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:41,280
tired from the Trek they had forgotten

1064
00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:43,260
to put the SIM card in the camera

1065
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:45,420
so you know these things happen and by

1066
00:42:48,589 --> 00:42:46,560
the time we were able to get back out

1067
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,599
there we couldn't see the other box of

1068
00:42:52,609 --> 00:42:50,880
the queue but I had affidavits from

1069
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,619
these two gentlemen one of whom is an

1070
00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:54,240
electrical engineer for their you know

1071
00:42:57,230 --> 00:42:55,980
solid people

1072
00:43:05,690 --> 00:42:57,240
in

1073
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:05,700
meadow of what exactly they are and what

1074
00:43:11,089 --> 00:43:08,400
their relationship to anything is we you

1075
00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:11,099
know aren't really sure but you know

1076
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:13,380
that was our very very strange uh

1077
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:16,140
happening with a

1078
00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:18,300
crop circle and I'm using air quotes on

1079
00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:20,339
that but uh strange indentations in the

1080
00:43:24,290 --> 00:43:21,540
vegetation

1081
00:43:28,130 --> 00:43:24,300
so uh you know that was our experience

1082
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:28,140
yeah and let's this is wild let's get

1083
00:43:32,089 --> 00:43:29,700
into some of the newer things you're

1084
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,099
delving into and before we start

1085
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,040
wrapping up I'd like to delve for a

1086
00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:37,680
moment in a little more into the box and

1087
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:40,020
uh the situation surrounding it but as

1088
00:43:44,329 --> 00:43:41,640
always you've had me

1089
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,339
on the edge of my seat we've covered a

1090
00:43:48,589 --> 00:43:47,040
lot of the Intriguing investigations and

1091
00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:48,599
I'd like to get into some of the new

1092
00:43:53,450 --> 00:43:50,700
developments including the Estes method

1093
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:53,460
and not to mention I'd like to note that

1094
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:55,500
you plan on utilizing this method in

1095
00:44:01,130 --> 00:43:58,319
unison with what is known as the god

1096
00:44:04,970 --> 00:44:01,140
helmet which is kind of a research slang

1097
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:04,980
in our circles for the work of Michael

1098
00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:08,460
Persinger and you plan on possibly

1099
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,160
combining the god helmet with the Estes

1100
00:44:16,990 --> 00:44:13,920
protocol and see if this makes the

1101
00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:17,000
receiver more uh prone to

1102
00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:19,560
paradimensional contact can we discuss

1103
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:21,720
that for a moment

1104
00:44:27,950 --> 00:44:24,540
yeah sure uh quickly for your listeners

1105
00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:27,960
the ESPYs method is a method utilized

1106
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,180
utilizing a ghost box and I'm sure you

1107
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,680
know most folks have watched one of the

1108
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:33,599
paranormal shows where

1109
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,300
you know people use ghost boxes for

1110
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,640
communications

1111
00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:40,800
product times we hear what we want to

1112
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:41,700
hear

1113
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:43,200
so

1114
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:46,560
uh it isn't exactly uh

1115
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:47,839
you know

1116
00:44:56,329 --> 00:44:54,230
and the issue with that is can we you

1117
00:44:58,609 --> 00:44:56,339
know pull some of the

1118
00:45:01,130 --> 00:44:58,619
some of that out of it and the way you

1119
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:01,140
do that with the SDS method is you have

1120
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:03,960
a ghost box with a speaker set

1121
00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:06,480
uh tied into earbuds that go into a

1122
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:07,800
person's ear and we'll call that person

1123
00:45:11,809 --> 00:45:09,480
the receiver

1124
00:45:13,970 --> 00:45:11,819
and he or she has a set of shooting

1125
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:13,980
muffs you know ear protectors over that

1126
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:16,140
so all they can hear is what's coming

1127
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:17,880
out of the ghost box you know the little

1128
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,740
Snippets of words and individual

1129
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:21,839
syllables and things like that

1130
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,640
yeah we also take the person the

1131
00:45:28,609 --> 00:45:25,920
receiver and we blindfold them so they

1132
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:28,619
can't see who's asking questions

1133
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,420
they can't hear the questions being

1134
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,640
asked and their instructions are if they

1135
00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:34,800
hear an intelligible word you know

1136
00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:36,300
through the Ghost Box

1137
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:38,040
is to repeat it

1138
00:45:42,050 --> 00:45:40,020
you know regardless of how strange or

1139
00:45:44,589 --> 00:45:42,060
silly it may be whatever word you pick

1140
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:44,599
up repeat it so if you hear the word

1141
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:47,220
rhubarb then you just

1142
00:45:53,329 --> 00:45:50,640
repeat the word rhubarb you know

1143
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:53,339
catfish you say catfish

1144
00:45:57,650 --> 00:45:55,800
so we did the SD's method in the uh in

1145
00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:57,660
the meadow and had some uh pretty

1146
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,180
amazing results and

1147
00:46:05,210 --> 00:46:02,160
it's almost as though we were

1148
00:46:06,829 --> 00:46:05,220
communicating with an entity you know

1149
00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:06,839
and it was responding to direct

1150
00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:08,220
questions

1151
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:10,380
and what makes it really extra strange

1152
00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:13,920
is when I started questioning

1153
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:17,460
very specific phenomenology that you

1154
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,520
know electromagnetic uh fields

1155
00:46:26,990 --> 00:46:23,040
uh you know radiation

1156
00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:27,000
uh geomagnetism things like that

1157
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:28,859
The Entity started becoming very

1158
00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:31,980
agitated you're very upset with us you

1159
00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:33,900
know like it did not like that line of

1160
00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:36,119
questioning that line of query

1161
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,060
uh so you know we had that on a video

1162
00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:41,520
which is a really amazing video and also

1163
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:43,560
I have the entire transcript of that SD

1164
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,319
session in the book so uh you know it's

1165
00:46:48,829 --> 00:46:47,760
right there if anybody's interested and

1166
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,839
wants to you know look at it for

1167
00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:49,920
themselves

1168
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:52,859
uh but you know we've talked about if

1169
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:55,740
somebody is starting to be dialed in

1170
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:58,800
tuned into this other

1171
00:47:02,809 --> 00:47:00,839
you know this other realm these other

1172
00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:02,819
means of communications if we use the

1173
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,760
god helmet which shoots uh

1174
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,200
electromagnetic fields across the uh the

1175
00:47:10,970 --> 00:47:08,880
trunk of Cortex

1176
00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:10,980
it creates a different state of

1177
00:47:16,609 --> 00:47:13,800
consciousness you know kind of like some

1178
00:47:18,490 --> 00:47:16,619
of the stuff that Lily and Albert were

1179
00:47:21,290 --> 00:47:18,500
doing with LSD but this uses

1180
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:21,300
electromagnetic fields to create this

1181
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:23,640
this altered stage of consciousness

1182
00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:26,700
so if we take an individual create an

1183
00:47:31,550 --> 00:47:28,619
alter stage of consciousness

1184
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:31,560
and then do a degree of slight sensory

1185
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:33,960
deprivation I.E the headphones sound

1186
00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:36,720
canceling headphones and blindfold and

1187
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:39,960
then tie it in with a ghost box

1188
00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:43,680
would a receiver be even more receptive

1189
00:47:48,050 --> 00:47:45,480
to paradimensional contact for

1190
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:48,060
dimensional communication more so than

1191
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,740
they would without the god ailment so

1192
00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:51,599
that's uh unfortunately we're

1193
00:47:55,309 --> 00:47:53,700
self-funded and uh you know we haven't

1194
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,319
procured a god helmet yet but that's

1195
00:47:58,430 --> 00:47:57,119
certainly on our list of our things to

1196
00:48:00,770 --> 00:47:58,440
do

1197
00:48:03,710 --> 00:48:00,780
it is so fascinating I think it's

1198
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,720
intriguing absolutely wild Trey I'm so

1199
00:48:09,230 --> 00:48:06,079
happy we got to have another

1200
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,240
conversation about one of the most in my

1201
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:11,760
opinion wild paranormal hot spots on the

1202
00:48:18,589 --> 00:48:15,599
planet by all accounts and the fact that

1203
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:18,599
people may be stepping through portals

1204
00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:21,180
um enabling them to uh move through

1205
00:48:26,210 --> 00:48:23,640
other to other dimensions

1206
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,220
this is absolutely mind-blowing there's

1207
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,079
other places on the planet that this has

1208
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:30,480
been noted but not in any way the way

1209
00:48:34,730 --> 00:48:33,599
you have documented it and um kudos for

1210
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,740
that

1211
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:36,960
you are visiting the property here

1212
00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:40,260
sometime soon and I wanted to uh see

1213
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:42,599
what you it's what what you expect even

1214
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:44,940
though it's very much unexpected I'm

1215
00:48:51,290 --> 00:48:48,000
sure when when the boots hit the ground

1216
00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:51,300
yeah uh you know we we have a standard

1217
00:48:55,609 --> 00:48:53,940
series of protocols that we use when we

1218
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,619
go out there you know we have had very

1219
00:48:59,210 --> 00:48:57,119
good luck setting up you know listening

1220
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:59,220
post observation posts with thermals uh

1221
00:49:02,450 --> 00:49:00,720
night vision

1222
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:02,460
things like that we have started to

1223
00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:05,760
develop uh experimental uh packages that

1224
00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:07,859
we will leave out there uh I've been in

1225
00:49:11,329 --> 00:49:09,900
contact with uh my alma mater I've

1226
00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:11,339
actually had a chance a lecture out

1227
00:49:16,430 --> 00:49:13,260
there and have discussed some uh

1228
00:49:17,569 --> 00:49:16,440
paranormal research and uh experimental

1229
00:49:19,609 --> 00:49:17,579
packages

1230
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:19,619
and some some of them that we're coming

1231
00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:23,520
up with is a series of uh stop watches

1232
00:49:26,809 --> 00:49:25,380
we have a control stop watch and a

1233
00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:26,819
stopwatch that we put out there in the

1234
00:49:31,609 --> 00:49:28,740
field to see if there's a difference in

1235
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,619
time another experimental package that I

1236
00:49:36,670 --> 00:49:32,880
just built

1237
00:49:40,730 --> 00:49:36,680
uh is a sealed Pelican box with a

1238
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:40,740
magnetic uh board in it that's broken up

1239
00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:43,500
into squares it's gridded squares are

1240
00:49:48,410 --> 00:49:45,720
numbered one through 47.

1241
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:48,420
and I have a series of magnetic letters

1242
00:49:54,530 --> 00:49:51,839
that I will place on this grid record

1243
00:49:55,370 --> 00:49:54,540
where the letters were in a random

1244
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:55,380
pattern

1245
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:58,380
seal the Box up lock it place it in the

1246
00:50:01,849 --> 00:50:00,000
meadow and then return to see if the

1247
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:01,859
letters have been moved around

1248
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:05,119
so those are taking some of the

1249
00:50:09,050 --> 00:50:07,560
parapsychological experiments out of the

1250
00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:09,060
laboratory

1251
00:50:14,030 --> 00:50:11,099
and then bringing them into the field

1252
00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:14,040
you know packing them into a field in an

1253
00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:16,380
area known for high strangeness so we

1254
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:17,940
have that going on

1255
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:20,640
uh of course we always have the options

1256
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:22,680
of doing Sky watches we've got some

1257
00:50:26,589 --> 00:50:24,839
pretty neat UFO video that we've

1258
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:26,599
captured out there

1259
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,240
uh and you know basically as far as this

1260
00:50:34,250 --> 00:50:32,160
location goes

1261
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:34,260
it's uh dealer's choice you know we have

1262
00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:36,900
so much phenomena and so many uh avenues

1263
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,900
that you can go down as far as research

1264
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,520
that uh you could spend the rest of your

1265
00:50:45,890 --> 00:50:43,680
life researching this area with a a

1266
00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:45,900
whole array of different uh different

1267
00:50:50,809 --> 00:50:47,700
methods and techniques

1268
00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:50,819
yeah it seems that the the zone that you

1269
00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:54,359
are in has a very strange and a wide

1270
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:56,760
gamut of uh

1271
00:51:01,549 --> 00:50:59,520
Paranormal Activity and things that just

1272
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:01,559
can't be explained

1273
00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:06,240
there is always that nagging or should I

1274
00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:08,460
say itching feeling that many have

1275
00:51:15,250 --> 00:51:12,300
wondering if there could be or might be

1276
00:51:18,170 --> 00:51:15,260
any kind of government or military

1277
00:51:20,030 --> 00:51:18,180
experimentation being take taken place

1278
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,040
somewhere around the area or in the

1279
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:22,559
vicinity but I believe you've you've

1280
00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:24,660
mentioned in the past this is unlikely

1281
00:51:29,930 --> 00:51:27,540
could we go into that just a bit

1282
00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:29,940
uh yeah I'm not going to go into you

1283
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,520
know my background and you know what I

1284
00:51:36,589 --> 00:51:34,559
do to earn a living obviously I'm not

1285
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,599
making you know enough money to live on

1286
00:51:41,230 --> 00:51:37,920
doing research

1287
00:51:44,930 --> 00:51:41,240
but I'll just say this my professional

1288
00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:44,940
undertakings are of a nature that if

1289
00:51:49,370 --> 00:51:46,980
there was that kind of involvement by

1290
00:51:51,290 --> 00:51:49,380
the government I would be aware of it

1291
00:51:53,569 --> 00:51:51,300
I'm not aware of it

1292
00:51:55,930 --> 00:51:53,579
I've seen no indications there are

1293
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,670
ways that the government would go about

1294
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,720
researching this you talked about the uh

1295
00:52:04,849 --> 00:52:02,400
you know the book The skinwalkers at the

1296
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:04,859
Pentagon kind of the way

1297
00:52:10,010 --> 00:52:08,040
the uh the research methodology and the

1298
00:52:12,109 --> 00:52:10,020
funding methodology was set up for uh

1299
00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:12,119
nids and bass when they were looking

1300
00:52:15,950 --> 00:52:14,520
into Skinwalker Ranch would indicate

1301
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,960
that something's up I've seen none of

1302
00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:17,520
those indicators

1303
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:20,760
uh I could be contacted by you know

1304
00:52:23,809 --> 00:52:21,960
other representatives of the government

1305
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,819
I could be told you know this is a

1306
00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:25,440
classified operation you can't talk

1307
00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:28,380
about it within my involvement so that

1308
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:30,900
hasn't happened so I you know either

1309
00:52:35,089 --> 00:52:33,119
they're not interested or I'm not on

1310
00:52:37,309 --> 00:52:35,099
their proverbial radar

1311
00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:37,319
yes and I think that's important to

1312
00:52:41,930 --> 00:52:39,000
point out because a lot of times

1313
00:52:43,370 --> 00:52:41,940
listeners and people immediately go to

1314
00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:43,380
that um

1315
00:52:47,630 --> 00:52:45,240
you know that box and want to make sure

1316
00:52:50,030 --> 00:52:47,640
that that's checked and I think it is in

1317
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:50,040
this case it's it's standing out in a

1318
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,040
way that is uh all its own something

1319
00:52:57,650 --> 00:52:55,680
also that I find very interesting is

1320
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:57,660
there seem to be

1321
00:53:00,650 --> 00:52:58,400
um

1322
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:00,660
electromagnetic manipulation when it

1323
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:04,559
comes to devices and theorists such as

1324
00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:07,380
Anthony patch and others of course

1325
00:53:12,770 --> 00:53:09,540
there's Gordy Rose who's publicly stated

1326
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:12,780
that his d-wave content computer might

1327
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:15,839
be accessing parallel Dimensions it does

1328
00:53:20,690 --> 00:53:18,240
seem at times that some of this High

1329
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:20,700
strangeness interacts with and almost

1330
00:53:27,710 --> 00:53:23,760
takes over things of electrical nature

1331
00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:27,720
have you had any devices or

1332
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:29,940
items you're using on site be

1333
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,490
if they were you know taking over or

1334
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:38,880
used as you know a means of

1335
00:53:43,609 --> 00:53:40,559
communication or anything like that but

1336
00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:43,619
we have had a lot

1337
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:45,540
of interference with our equipment you

1338
00:53:51,049 --> 00:53:47,460
know to the point that I will I remember

1339
00:53:51,950 --> 00:53:51,059
one case in particular I had a digital

1340
00:53:55,250 --> 00:53:51,960
camera

1341
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,260
worked fine before we left base camp

1342
00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:57,839
got debate or got to the meadow wouldn't

1343
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,540
work at all it would not

1344
00:54:05,390 --> 00:54:03,119
function at all

1345
00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:05,400
return back to Basecamp worked perfectly

1346
00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:08,099
you know we've had battery drain you

1347
00:54:12,049 --> 00:54:09,300
know something you go out there with a

1348
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:12,059
you know full charge on your equipment

1349
00:54:17,870 --> 00:54:16,319
uh batteries have maybe one tenth of

1350
00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:17,880
their life cycle you know they will die

1351
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:19,140
very quickly when you're out there

1352
00:54:23,690 --> 00:54:21,240
things like that uh

1353
00:54:25,849 --> 00:54:23,700
weird radio interference you know your

1354
00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:25,859
radios don't seem to always want to work

1355
00:54:31,130 --> 00:54:27,960
uh

1356
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,140
we've had strange things where sound is

1357
00:54:35,329 --> 00:54:32,880
encapsulated like

1358
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,339
you have three people in a row this is

1359
00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:37,440
an electronic but it's worth noting uh

1360
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,780
you know three people in a row

1361
00:54:44,270 --> 00:54:42,240
a person on the far end will say

1362
00:54:46,250 --> 00:54:44,280
something or make a sound the person on

1363
00:54:48,109 --> 00:54:46,260
the other far end will hear it but the

1364
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,119
person in between them won't

1365
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,400
so it's like there's a cone of silence

1366
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:53,040
you know like a sound gets absorbed in

1367
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:54,000
some way

1368
00:54:59,690 --> 00:54:57,599
uh many of our team members uh have had

1369
00:55:02,930 --> 00:54:59,700
their electronic watches

1370
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:02,940
uh not work right so a lot of us uh now

1371
00:55:09,710 --> 00:55:06,480
wear either automatic watches that are

1372
00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:09,720
self-winding or old-fashioned analog

1373
00:55:13,250 --> 00:55:11,460
wind-up watches

1374
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:13,260
so we always know what time it is so

1375
00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:15,119
yeah it's uh you know

1376
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,160
interference with electronics and

1377
00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:19,440
battery drain is very common in these

1378
00:55:24,650 --> 00:55:20,940
areas

1379
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,660
amazing yes the latter uh the the latter

1380
00:55:29,089 --> 00:55:26,880
affirmation that you said about the

1381
00:55:30,589 --> 00:55:29,099
watches we've also found that in the

1382
00:55:33,710 --> 00:55:30,599
uina Basin

1383
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:33,720
um and that yes uh the the electric

1384
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:36,000
watches electronic watches fitbits

1385
00:55:45,470 --> 00:55:41,119
iwatches Etc seem to experience

1386
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,480
Transformations that should not or be be

1387
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:48,240
possible really uh a lot of jumping back

1388
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:49,680
and forth in time so that's that's

1389
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:52,500
really neat that you've found a lot of

1390
00:55:59,809 --> 00:55:55,500
things that uh I I can attest is is

1391
00:56:03,290 --> 00:55:59,819
strange I wanted to delve really quickly

1392
00:56:06,049 --> 00:56:03,300
into you know the strange belief or

1393
00:56:10,250 --> 00:56:06,059
maybe the related belief that

1394
00:56:12,770 --> 00:56:10,260
some of these areas may be areas of

1395
00:56:15,770 --> 00:56:12,780
demonic activity a lot of the available

1396
00:56:18,770 --> 00:56:15,780
UFO literature is closely linked with uh

1397
00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:18,780
mysticism and metaphysical and it deals

1398
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,819
with subjects like mental telepathy

1399
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:23,520
automatic writing invisible entities all

1400
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:24,900
this phenomena that are somewhat

1401
00:56:32,089 --> 00:56:28,079
Poltergeist or ghost-like have you had

1402
00:56:34,370 --> 00:56:32,099
any accounts where team members or

1403
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,380
yourself may have arrived on location

1404
00:56:38,809 --> 00:56:36,480
and kind of felt that Indescribable

1405
00:56:40,670 --> 00:56:38,819
sense of Menace or is it something that

1406
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:40,680
it manipulates your emotions when you're

1407
00:56:46,730 --> 00:56:43,680
in the area at times

1408
00:56:49,370 --> 00:56:46,740
uh yeah yeah we we've gone out there and

1409
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:49,380
I I've personally experienced it

1410
00:56:54,049 --> 00:56:51,540
uh where

1411
00:56:56,450 --> 00:56:54,059
you feel like something is watching you

1412
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,460
or you're under observation and you're

1413
00:57:00,770 --> 00:56:58,319
not comfortable

1414
00:57:02,569 --> 00:57:00,780
and you know in those circumstances in

1415
00:57:04,970 --> 00:57:02,579
those instances you just have to kind of

1416
00:57:06,770 --> 00:57:04,980
you know grunt your way through it you

1417
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,780
just have to deal with that emotion or

1418
00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:09,119
that feeling and stay focused on your

1419
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:12,180
mission but uh you know it's

1420
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:14,280
we all go to places you know in the

1421
00:57:18,109 --> 00:57:15,440
world

1422
00:57:19,730 --> 00:57:18,119
where things don't seem right they seem

1423
00:57:21,290 --> 00:57:19,740
off they seem

1424
00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:21,300
I'm not going to use the word curse

1425
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:22,920
that's the loaded word but they seem

1426
00:57:26,750 --> 00:57:25,440
like perhaps they're not the place you

1427
00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:26,760
want to be

1428
00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:28,680
and you look at the folklore pretty much

1429
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:30,180
any community

1430
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:32,520
and there's talks of cursed places

1431
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:35,400
haunted places places that you don't go

1432
00:57:42,770 --> 00:57:38,700
to places that the locals stay away from

1433
00:57:44,210 --> 00:57:42,780
and you know as human beings uh we are

1434
00:57:48,130 --> 00:57:44,220
dialed in

1435
00:57:50,569 --> 00:57:48,140
through many many uh Sensations

1436
00:57:52,190 --> 00:57:50,579
incentives that we not may not

1437
00:57:53,809 --> 00:57:52,200
particularly be aware of you know human

1438
00:57:56,750 --> 00:57:53,819
beings are multi-dimensional creatures

1439
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:56,760
that you know obviously has been proven

1440
00:58:03,470 --> 00:58:00,480
and that gut feeling that intuition

1441
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:03,480
uh comes into play you know in these

1442
00:58:08,329 --> 00:58:05,280
areas of high strengthness so I think

1443
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:08,339
they're probably a myriad

1444
00:58:13,790 --> 00:58:12,180
of places of super high strengthness uh

1445
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:13,800
all over the country and all over the

1446
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,880
world

1447
00:58:19,730 --> 00:58:17,280
that people know about deep in the gut

1448
00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:19,740
you know deep in their guts deep in the

1449
00:58:24,109 --> 00:58:22,380
back of their minds you know you know in

1450
00:58:26,030 --> 00:58:24,119
their in their internal organs they just

1451
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:26,040
know something's not right about this

1452
00:58:30,410 --> 00:58:26,880
area

1453
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:30,420
absolutely right for research so

1454
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:31,920
hopefully you know

1455
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:33,839
individuals hearing this you know may

1456
00:58:36,829 --> 00:58:35,400
think about that and go out and do their

1457
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:36,839
own research and find their own Meadow

1458
00:58:40,430 --> 00:58:38,760
you know in their own backyard which

1459
00:58:42,530 --> 00:58:40,440
actually would be kind of cool to hear

1460
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:42,540
about more places like this

1461
00:58:48,829 --> 00:58:45,599
yeah these wild paranormal hot spots

1462
00:58:50,270 --> 00:58:48,839
they seem to be few and far between but

1463
00:58:52,569 --> 00:58:50,280
I think there's more out there than

1464
00:58:55,309 --> 00:58:52,579
people are aware by all accounts

1465
00:58:57,650 --> 00:58:55,319
fascinating stuff such great work Trey

1466
00:58:59,930 --> 00:58:57,660
you mentioned you were self-funded where

1467
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,940
can listeners donate or support your

1468
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:01,680
endeavors

1469
00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:04,319
Ah that's uh probably the best ways you

1470
00:59:08,270 --> 00:59:07,020
have to buy the book uh that you know

1471
00:59:10,430 --> 00:59:08,280
that gives me a little bit of funding

1472
00:59:13,130 --> 00:59:10,440
that I can use to purchase uh various

1473
00:59:18,109 --> 00:59:13,140
equipment uh we unfortunately are not

1474
00:59:21,230 --> 00:59:18,119
set up as a 501c3 yet uh so donations

1475
00:59:22,970 --> 00:59:21,240
uh you know aren't tax deductible uh you

1476
00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:22,980
know if anybody just really feels

1477
00:59:25,549 --> 00:59:24,660
compelled that they want to support this

1478
00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:25,559
uh

1479
00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:30,839
to go to Facebook and I am on Facebook

1480
00:59:35,089 --> 00:59:33,540
as treyhutson Dash author and just uh

1481
00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:35,099
you know send me a message you know

1482
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:36,660
there's somebody who wants to contribute

1483
00:59:43,069 --> 00:59:39,599
to the calls uh I've got some other kind

1484
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:43,079
of exciting things uh happening uh

1485
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,480
that will be going into hopefully a

1486
00:59:49,309 --> 00:59:47,760
second book uh looking at some of our

1487
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,319
experiences perhaps from a different

1488
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:51,359
perspective that I hope will shield some

1489
00:59:55,309 --> 00:59:52,799
additional light so I'm kind of excited

1490
00:59:56,930 --> 00:59:55,319
about those Endeavors I've got some

1491
00:59:58,910 --> 00:59:56,940
some pretty high-powered professionals

1492
01:00:01,609 --> 00:59:58,920
that are offering some of their time and

1493
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,619
efforts pro bono so uh you know the

1494
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:03,599
sky's the limit and I hope to get to

1495
01:00:08,930 --> 01:00:06,720
share some some new and other amazing

1496
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,940
stories with everybody here you know in

1497
01:00:14,349 --> 01:00:10,400
the next year or two

1498
01:00:16,370 --> 01:00:14,359
amazing as always great information

1499
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:16,380
covering your new developments

1500
01:00:23,210 --> 01:00:19,680
intriguing investigation methods and not

1501
01:00:27,049 --> 01:00:23,220
to mention uh you've got a lot of high

1502
01:00:28,250 --> 01:00:27,059
strangeness and it's all documented so I

1503
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:28,260
definitely recommend the listeners

1504
01:00:32,569 --> 01:00:30,660
purchase their book it is available on

1505
01:00:34,849 --> 01:00:32,579
Amazon is that the route you would

1506
01:00:36,109 --> 01:00:34,859
recommend them purchasing it or is there

1507
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,119
another

1508
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:38,640
uh Amazon is the easiest way yes

1509
01:00:42,890 --> 01:00:41,040
wonderful thank you so much Trey for

1510
01:00:45,230 --> 01:00:42,900
coming on today can't thank you enough

1511
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:45,240
and uh wish you all the best of luck in

1512
01:00:50,030 --> 01:00:47,280
your in your research

1513
01:00:51,770 --> 01:00:50,040
well thank you Ryan it's been a a

1514
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,780
pleasure and an honor and thank you for

1515
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,000
having me today

1516
01:00:58,670 --> 01:00:56,640
There Are Places on this Earth that are

1517
01:01:01,609 --> 01:00:58,680
best left unvisited

1518
01:01:04,370 --> 01:01:01,619
paranormal and Supernatural locations

1519
01:01:05,809 --> 01:01:04,380
which are swimming in accounts of high

1520
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:05,819
strangeness

1521
01:01:11,450 --> 01:01:09,599
the meadow is seemingly verified as one

1522
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:11,460
of these locations

1523
01:01:18,349 --> 01:01:14,400
where statistics and Science and

1524
01:01:20,089 --> 01:01:18,359
rationale are problematically riddled

1525
01:01:23,690 --> 01:01:20,099
with doubt

1526
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:23,700
doubt about the nature of our reality

1527
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:27,359
have these locations always existed

1528
01:01:33,650 --> 01:01:30,960
the unknown and supernatural has been

1529
01:01:35,710 --> 01:01:33,660
recognized by our ancestors for

1530
01:01:38,569 --> 01:01:35,720
millennia

1531
01:01:40,329 --> 01:01:38,579
hunter-gatherer societies have accounts

1532
01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:40,339
of Supernatural

1533
01:01:45,890 --> 01:01:42,180
paranormal

1534
01:01:48,289 --> 01:01:45,900
and out of this world activity as far

1535
01:01:50,030 --> 01:01:48,299
back as they could scribble the accounts

1536
01:01:53,690 --> 01:01:50,040
on Stone

1537
01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:53,700
the details have always been murky then

1538
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:57,240
again the devil lies in the details

1539
01:02:02,089 --> 01:02:00,720
Gathering decipherable data on these

1540
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:02,099
locations

1541
01:02:08,270 --> 01:02:06,000
seems the only chance Humanity has to

1542
01:02:11,569 --> 01:02:08,280
continue the conversation in a

1543
01:02:14,329 --> 01:02:11,579
legitimate educated way

1544
01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:14,339
scribbling our encounters on rocks just

1545
01:02:19,730 --> 01:02:16,740
isn't going to cut it anymore

1546
01:02:23,150 --> 01:02:19,740
as many listeners know I too have a dog

1547
01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:23,160
in this fight a space Wolf in fact

1548
01:02:27,250 --> 01:02:26,220
a privately held small real estate

1549
01:02:29,569 --> 01:02:27,260
company

1550
01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:29,579
experimenting with various research

1551
01:02:33,710 --> 01:02:32,040
methods to detect anomalies and

1552
01:02:35,630 --> 01:02:33,720
anticipate them

1553
01:02:38,089 --> 01:02:35,640
you can keep up with that at

1554
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:38,099
spacewolfresearch.com

1555
01:02:43,309 --> 01:02:40,559
I too understand the issues with funding

1556
01:02:45,849 --> 01:02:43,319
and the best way that you can help out

1557
01:02:49,730 --> 01:02:45,859
is by subscribing to this podcast

1558
01:02:52,910 --> 01:02:49,740
on patreon look for hero paranormal at

1559
01:02:56,750 --> 01:02:52,920
patreon.com or go to heroparanormal.com

1560
01:03:00,410 --> 01:02:56,760
on podbean another way is purchasing my

1561
01:03:03,230 --> 01:03:00,420
books the Utah UFO Ranch on Amazon or

1562
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,240
shapeshifter territory on Amazon

1563
01:03:08,089 --> 01:03:06,000
for you podcast listeners there's a

1564
01:03:09,289 --> 01:03:08,099
bunch of content behind that paywall you

1565
01:03:11,950 --> 01:03:09,299
really should

1566
01:03:14,990 --> 01:03:11,960
so trust me when I say I can relate

1567
01:03:17,089 --> 01:03:15,000
appreciate the work being done by Trey

1568
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:17,099
and his team

1569
01:03:23,650 --> 01:03:20,640
dealing with precisely some of the same

1570
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:23,660
strange uncertainties can do that

1571
01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:27,359
and intelligence agencies interest in

1572
01:03:34,250 --> 01:03:30,420
UFOs High strangeness and portal-like

1573
01:03:37,789 --> 01:03:34,260
activity is not a recent development

1574
01:03:40,849 --> 01:03:37,799
as long as time has been a thing the

1575
01:03:44,030 --> 01:03:40,859
powers that be have wished to know more

1576
01:03:46,130 --> 01:03:44,040
about the marginal deceptive and

1577
01:03:47,569 --> 01:03:46,140
unidentified characteristics of our

1578
01:03:51,770 --> 01:03:47,579
reality

1579
01:03:54,650 --> 01:03:51,780
it's nice to know folks like Trey

1580
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:54,660
the Oxford Paranormal Society

1581
01:04:00,049 --> 01:03:57,119
the anomalous studies and observation

1582
01:04:02,569 --> 01:04:00,059
group and others

1583
01:04:06,049 --> 01:04:02,579
normal folks like you and I are

1584
01:04:08,450 --> 01:04:06,059
aggressively pondering researching and

1585
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,460
trying to document phenomena so we have

1586
01:04:13,069 --> 01:04:10,319
something to pass down to the next batch

1587
01:04:16,069 --> 01:04:13,079
of normal folks

1588
01:04:18,530 --> 01:04:16,079
all this info can't be held behind a

1589
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:18,540
vault of secrecy forever

1590
01:04:23,930 --> 01:04:21,359
so until next time keep your eyes to the

1591
01:04:32,980 --> 01:04:23,940
skies feet on the ground but don't

1592
01:04:32,990 --> 01:04:47,410
[Music]

1593
01:04:52,970 --> 01:04:49,130
blast off